Chapter 13
published 19 April 04

Session 557

8/14/90

Q: How long have the gray entities been on the earth against..?

Forces: Since 4 o’clock this morning.

Q: They weren’t there from the beginning then of the earth?

Forces: They were here at 34 hours, 48.

Q: Did they come from a planet near the earth?

Forces: They come from the coordinates of 42 coordinate, sector east of that of Orion, 48 to the 156th parallel.

Q: Do they live under the ground around the equator now?

Forces: This is part of their habitat.

Q: How many people are implanted?

Forces: What does it say in Revelation that the mark of the beast shall be implanted in the forehead, how many?

Session 318

Q: The Movie Close Encounters when they went inside the ship, is that anything like your ships look like inside?

Forces: Ah! We do better than that. What was it that we had told you many, many sessions ago, what one of the major ships were.

Q: Could you tell us all about the Book Ecclesiastes, who wrote it and all the ins and outs?

Forces: Well, Ecclesiastes is written for those who got caught in the earth, trying to show them that the soul is the only salvation for man out of the earth. Who wrote it, well it. a combination of many what would be called experienced Prophets. Also it was influenced by Moses and Aaron, and Aaron being the one who got involved in the earth, and Moses who had to go through the pain of the soul. Helped along, spread about by the encounters of the Prophets and lead by Isaiah and given to Joshua through Isaiah, then handed down to Solomon, which Solomon opened up the information too those who would have to perceive it.

Q: The voice of the Speaker is primarily Aaron or Moses?

Forces: No, no, no, the Voice of the Speaker is primarily the Forces on the mountain.

Q: I mean the one who is sort of feeling the. . (párt missing tape changed)

Forces: Get the picture?

Q: Not exactly.

Forces: Lets say the Book serves 3 purposes, ( 1 ) to tell you the past fall of the visitors of the earth, who misused their power. (2) told you Moses problem, and (3) it told you Solomon’s problem.

Q: Are the giants the ones that came from outer space?

Forces: Yes. That’s Just the beginning of that, there’s more to add on to it later on, couplings we call it. There"s 82 couplings in all divided by 13 you get what 445, 632 couplings.

Q: Is that verses to be added to the Book?

Forces: You’ll find out.

Forces: It does.

Q: Now, who were the old gods and afterward the 0lypian gods. I don’t know if they were one and the same, or are they one and the same?

Forces: The old gods are a deity to themselves, and expression of power, of the third or fourth dimension. The gods of Olympus were would be considered, visitor initiates, coming to the earth to be tested, in which they did fail, on there particular mission.

Q: So they were human beings coming from another planet?

Forces: We wouldn’t give them the terminology of human.

Q: They were gods to this world, but were they also gods in there own dimension? –

Forces: They were co-creators in a different form, but they were the expression of a law.

Q: Were they part of you?

Forces: In all essence, this part that you speak about, comes from the one source, therefore the answer would have to be yes, but in reality there direction was in an opposite path.

Q: So they really came from a different, did they come from a planet, did they come from an existence?

Forces: Let us say this particular congregation came from a star constellation.

Q: So there really not part of you as far as, like people here in the group, are part of the human race.

Forces: It’s quite difficult to analyze that , in your terminology. In short to make it simple for you to under-stand, they weren’t part of our origin.

Q: Now, when they failed, what happened to them, were they taken out of the earth.

Forces: It was put into suspension.

Q: You mean they still exist?

Forces: In certain forms, they were belittled into different energy factors, some are still found in chameleons, or what would be called leprechaun stages, others are found in mushrooms, and others are found in different sea creatures, the sea horse.

Q: Do they have a consciousness?

Forces: They have stored and locked inside them, a great power potential.

Q: Will they come back as gods on this earth?

Forces: Not until they have paid back, for their lessons learned and misused.

Q: Who transformed them into these, things?

Forces: It is a self process of nature, that brings them to the lowest ebb.

Q: They just gradually one by one, all of a sudden….

Forces: Leave a human being to his own self desires, and to his own self, and he gradually destroys himself.

Q: Like, maybe once, they would turn themselves into something, and never be able to turn themselves back.

Forces: It is a part of consciousness without discipline, and you no longer find the true consciousness of what you are (were).

Q: But they will come back some day as gods?

Forces: They will not come back as gods, it is a mis-formed application of those who were humanoids, who named them as gods.

Q: Then will they come back, in a superior form?

Forces: The superior form cannot be allowed.

Q: Is this what happens to souls that ah, when it says that god doesn’t want any soul to perish. That’s what happens to a perished soul, they go into the lowest scale of evolution?

Forces: They go through different cycles of learning.

Q: So in reality, there is no soul that will perish, it is just stored away.

Forces: Striving not to perish any sword, or that of the soul within, but the soul itself must decide its own evolution.

Q: Now, does it mean, that at any time, ah, that animals dogs, cats, can become or will become, to the time of evolution into human beings?

Forces: No, they have their different evolution

Q: Is it into other forms, or does it remain in the same form?

Forces: Different forms of consciousness.

Q: Physical too?

Forces: Manifestation through a physical form.

Q: But on this earth, this is there earth actually.

Forces: Through the earth.

Q: Meaning one animal going into another animal.

Forces: Or the soul group of that animal.

Q: Does it mean that Satan himself, will also be reduced or will reduce himself, to one of the elements of this earth?

Forces: It would have to be that.

Q: So actually everybody that has the power to use the elements of the earth, misusing those elements, he ends up as an element.

Forces: This- would sound to be correct.

Q: Because that’s what they did, they had the power over that.

Forces: Correct.

Q: Now, what happened to the old gods, those powers, Astoreth, Baal, I don’t know, ten billions of them, and who was the queen of heaven, also?

Forces: You come into a strange analysis of gods, or old gods. These are different creatures or deities or power structures, power sources or lights or laws, that generate throughout the galaxies of the universe, that make the structure of certain laws. They are constantly moving or declining, all depends upon the usage and the origin of the same.

Q: Are any of them part of what today is part and parcel, of the black forces?

Forces: Some will be part of that. Remember Lillith is also known as the daughter of the morning star, also she was known as the morning of the heavens, she was the spirit that took over Adam and contained and had the evil force, of propagation and destroying the child, or striving to destroy the children of Adam through Eve. Certain thoughts are had when child is born, that a amulet is placed around it to protect it from the destructive powers of Lillith. You also have this in Greek myth would be the god who would travel through the earth, destroying children and consuming them for her own pleasures.

Q: So Lillith is actually queen of heaven, that Jeremiah is talking about?

Forces: We have like a (misinterpretation) of these things, but you would interpret that (message) similar.

Q: How is it that these Olypian gods were, put into bondage, and yet Lillith, they still are roaming the earth?

Forces: More or less on borrowed time, to certain females.

Q: So it’s actually, the power of earth people, that is giving that power to stay on.

Forces: Correct.

Q: Then all these other gods, or powers, I don’t know what else to call them, some of them are positive, some of them are negative, is that correct?

Forces: More or less, it all depends on who is ruling what.

Q: Now all of those gods, does it mean that if they no longer, as long as they have worshippers, they are alive, and the minute they have no worshippers, its like a book, that’s being borrowed from the library and put back on the shelf.

Forces: The secrets of the laws, whoever taps into them uses them, for what purpose, makes it the manifestation of good or evil.

Q: So those gods Astoreth and Baal, and a1l of those, are really just a force, to be used for good or for bad.

Forces: They were a force, that was used for evil.

Q: But ah, was it there fault?

Forces: Not more-so there fault, but the manifestation of the souls, who utilized and created them.

Q: Who are the souls that created them?

Forces: "Those are the souls that have come through many, many lifetimes and galaxies into the earth.

Q: Who are those?

Forces: They were called co-creators or sons of God.

Q: You mean to say the 144,000, that came with Adam, they were powerful enough, to create co-creators forces, gods, like they created, lets say, electrical, electricity, ah they created, I don’t know, plumbing, something on that order I mean.

Forces: Primitive as you are putting it, they could create.

Q: And then somebody comes and plugs in the electricity to the wrong thing.

Forces: Correct.

Q: And calls it a god.

Forces: Correct.

Q: So the problem was, the idol worshippers, that they were worshipping the tools, rather than those that created those tools.

Forces: That would make some sense, correct.

Q: But those tools were valid tools, except the creators of those tools were long gone.

Forces: Correct.

Session 623

2/20/99

Q: In Kings they talk about the peoples and the gods that they made, are they talking about the gods actually made or are they talking about the alien races that they actually succumbed to?

Forces: Let us say the latter.

Q: And in doing that would then when Hezekiah broke down those places, they speak of the high places and the groves, would the high places then be the landing fields and would the groves then be like stone henge where they were actually at one time temples?

Forces: One was the landing place, the other was receptive sacrifices.

Q: And sometime those were human?

Forces: Well let us for the sake of understanding was a sacrificial service that became a revelation spot of prayer and sacrifice.

Q: In lieu of that..?

Forces: Every single time you here grove in the words it is the transition or the meeting place of that which is sacrifice.

Q: You wonder about so many of the kings of Judea and Israel, but there’s this thing of Judah example and he’s a good king supposedly he goes to war and with the Edomites and because of his faith he follows. He first goes trying to go by might and then a prophet tells him no don’’ hire the Israelites go to work and your own faith in God and God will help you, and God does help him and he destroys all the Edomites there. Then he turns around, he just witnessed the power of his own faith in God and he picks up all those gods that he just destroyed the people of and brings it back to Jerusalem, starts kneeling and worshiping it. Now what kind of a sense does that make. What was the thing that was attractive there?

Forces: There are many times to worship and to do what is right is one thing, but the weeding out and the filtering out and the removing is another. In this particular case it was the removing and filtering that had to be done.

Q: But what was attractive to the king, I mean he himself realized that he destroyed those gods.

Forces: What we were saying is he did that so that he could remove those qualities.

Q: Then why is he setting them up in Jerusalem?

Forces: He is removing them by doing that. It is a removing of them. We are just giving you what really happened

Q: Did the Olympian gods know that there end is coming, and did they leave behind some things of themselves, so to speak, like a whole civilization is dying, ok lets take a last, something? –

Forces: This would be true.

Q: And what is that?

Forces: More or less, certain attributes within the force—field of life.

Q: Is that the ring surrounding the earth?

Forces: That and along with other things.

Q: Did they also do something for there own self?

Forces: They strived too, but did never achieve the fact.

Q: Did they try to run away from the earth?

Forces: They tried, could not escape.

Q: Then what was the function of the ring?

Forces: This is more or less a jumping board.

Q: That’s one of the (things) how they tried to run away.

Forces: Correct.

Q: So there is really nothing, they have no handle on anything.

Q: Could you tell us what the amulet looked like?

Forces: A symbol of the Tetra-grammaton on it, and Hebrew signets and letters to ware off certain force.

Q: Now, all those different entities that are coming into the earth, in spaceships, they too are not you. Well it seems like, none of the gods or what were considered gods Olympian gods, otherwise, all of these, really, you had nothing really to do with them.

Forces: More or less, Observation.

Q: You were observing them, were you the testers?

Forces: Observing, checking, testers whatever name you want to give it.

Q: All these other people now, entities that are coming into the earth, they too are not you.

Forces: These are different beings from other planets.

Q: Are they aware of you?

Forces: They understand us.

Q: They have to get permission from you to enter this dimension?

Forces: There is a certain power that we do have and generate over them.

Q: So you are the ones that will give them pass, passage.

Forces: There are those who aren’t allowed in, there are those who sneak in.

Q: How can they?

Forces: There’s a certain ring or a certain band, that is allowed to happen, by the sheer law of it. This is where they come through.

Q: Isn’t there only one door, the one that Jesus opened?

Forces: This is true, but the manifestation of this band happens every millennium.

Q: Its like the Sabbath.

Forces: More or less, its the opening of a band that can only allow them to enter discreetly, but once recognized they are put back in their place.

Q: Because otherwise it is almost impossible to get into this dimension. You have to find a way.

Forces: It’s near to impossible.

Q: Wasn’t that the greatest thing that Jesus did, was open the door? ,

Forces: It was one of the greatest landmarks, in your evolution.

Q: Now all of these that are coming in, How would they be able to see you, feel you, recognize you?

Forces: More or less, a feel of our law on them.

Q: But you do not have physical contact with them.

Forces: As you would say, no way.

Q: And that’s why all these manifestations and all the ships, good, bad, indifferent, short people, long people, yellow people, green people, they’re really just (hodge-podge) from the universe?

Forces: Hodge-podge.

Q: This is there latest resort area, something like that?

Forces: Yes, correct.

Q: Why are they coming here?

Forces: More for exploration and development and watching over certain things that they have put here.

Q: They did?

Forces: Some of them had left some cultures.

Q: You mean the old Mayan religions and drawings, they’re not of you, they are of these different kinds of civilizations that came to visit them.

Forces: Many people wonder what the Easter Islands are all about, there was a major heliport or a airport for the flying ships of the sun to come into and conquer, the Easter Islands structures were reflectors to catch the suns rays at different hours.

Forces: It does get complicated. We ourselves do visit certain times directly, of a different quality and nature, but not until the scales of these have visited. We are not visiting to dissect and to understand who you are, we already understand who you are.

Q: But to make checkups.

Forces: We are not making checkups.

Q: Something like the experience that happened in Close-Encounters, would that be more like something they would do, or something you would do?

Forces: It doesn’t matter who does what, and who zooms over whose head. The point is the evolution of man, knowledge will be shown to you, as the questions they ask, and what they are amazed in.

Q: Does it mean also, that one of the prices that they have to pay or whatever, is that certain of their technical knowledge or whatever, like the tests that we years later had developed, is given to the people that they poke around on or whatever, like subconsciously or something or?

Forces: Directly and indirectly.

Q: So some of the things, you allow them to come in because they are part of the plan.

Forces: Correct, were just dealing with the spiritual evolution, they are dealing with a whole different ball game.

Q: In reality your their supervisors too.

Forces: Unfortunately

Q: With the Olympian gods, again, they have never, they never perceived you right, not at the beginning and not through the time, and not at the end?

Forces: Maybe at the end, when it was too late, but not at the beginning, and not in the middle.

Q: At the beginning because of the testing, is that correct?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Which ah, galaxy did they come from?

Forces: Well, it is a combination of fields, and forces of energy, from all over, traveling through the universe.

Q: When they perceived you, was it then, that they realized that, somebody has watched it knows about it, and that’s when they tried to make there escape.

Forces: Correct.

Q: How long were there life-spans? How long did they live?

Forces: They could live thousands of years.

Q: Was it a true life-span? Or was it something like, getting into warps, and time, and stuff like that.

Forces: Man lived a long, long time before he sinned, and when he sinned life was taken away from him. If man only can remember now today, his past, he would be so afraid, but if he can only remember today now, and under-stand that his imaginations are the cornerstones to his creativity, and if his imaginations are bad, his creativity will be evil. If his imaginations are good, his creativity will be god-like. It is up to man every day, with the creative power that God has given him, within side himself, to create good or bad, and every day is the measurement of the action.

Q: The flourishing civilization in South America that went underground when the Spanish came, where did they go?

Forces: They went into a civilization that was built underground.

Q: Who built it underground?

Forces: Those who were visitors to the earth.

Q: What type of civilization did they have?

Forces: Very developed.

Q: Does it still exist today?

Forces: Yes.

Q: How did they survive all those years? Is it the same ones?

Forces: They have continued and also tele-portation.

Q: From where are these people from?

Forces: From beyond the star of Orion.

Q: Where are they now?

Forces: Can be located beneath the earth.

Q: Thank you.

Forces: To preserve the strength, and to store strength and height comes from the direct contact of the sun.

Q: That is why they can live so long. They don’t have the sun, but the preservation is that it?

Forces: That is true.

Q: Who are the visitors you speak about beyond the Orion galaxy? What is their function here?

Forces: To develop certain qualities not found elsewhere.

Q: So they are not here by choice?

Forces: Some are, some aren’t.

Q: Those people who went underground, do they communicate with the people who live in the core of the earth?

Forces: At the beginning they were, but now it is not functioning.

Q: They have their own civilization?

Forces: In a certain way.

Q: They are in a different layer underground?

Forces: Correct.

Q: The visitors who still come, who are they?

Forces: teachers.

Q: Those that do not come by choice, what are they?

Forces: Wanderers trying to find the truth.

Q: They fell by mistake into this earth?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Why did they go underground?

Forces: Because of the intensity of the sun.

Q: So they cannot take the sun either?

Forces: Because of the design of the heat.

Q: Are they short people?

Forces: In a way.

Q: Are they the ones that have been appearing at night sometimes in spaceships picking up people?

Forces: Sometimes.

Q: Tom talked to us once about how the ships ran and said they had very small pin holes, and there was unequal pressure between the inside and the outside, and he drew a diagram of it showing different lines of, I guess, pipes and air holes. Could you explain how that works?

Forces: It works more on the pressure of steam with your radiators. When you hear it knocking, you know the steam is coming up. In such, there’s pressure forcing heat. It is not the steam and the heat, it is the after effect of heat raising in the air. The same is the same in our spaceship. It is that steam heat that affects the outside of the air that is controlled by the inner walls that raises the ship.

Q: Are the black ships ever destroyed?

Forces: Let us say their energy is made void.

Q: But do they regroup, the new thought-forms?

Forces: Once the energy is void they no longer exist.

Session 575

10/10/91

Q: When did they first build bases on Mars?

Forces: 61,62 basically. May, June 62 was the beginning. About October 62.

Q: So that experiment that they have now going with those people that locked themselves..

Forces: Eventually Yes, Yes.

Q: Are they connected?

Forces: Yes, of course they are. The Dome worlds of Mars. You have to be able to get vegetables, fresh water supplies and all for the Doctors going to be coming and that’s (particular) him right there.

Q: Exactly what are they doing on Mars in those bases?

Forces: Colonizing.

Q: Just regular colony or what civilization are they advancing?

Forces: Colonizing, propagating, restoring and growing.

Q: How are they selecting their people?

Forces: Kidnapping.

Q: So are the aliens involved in it or aliens..?

Forces: Not openly, no not openly.

Q: Are any others than the Americans involved in that?

Forces: Yes they all seem to work together nowadays.

Q: With who?

Forces: The grays, the talls, the silvers, the slots(slants), the eyes and the government.

Q: The American, Russian?

Forces: Yes.

Q: So there’s more than one each government involved?

Forces: Yes, oh yes.

Q: German’s.

Forces: Yes.

Q: Was it the lesser or bad aliens that gave the mushroom?

Forces: Well it’s not the bad ones.

Q: Was that part of the original-ah-?

Forces: More or less to get them moving, the ball rolling uh-huh.

Q: Was Moses Conscious when St. Michael fought for his soul?

Forces: On a different level he was not so called conscious. He was put into a state of animation or ambiguously speaking he was a stone.

Q: He was turned into a stone.

Forces: State of a vibration of the solid stone molecules.

Q: You mean to say a state of animation truly to work would have to somehow, is connected with a stone quality rather than with the ice quality.

Forces: Yes.

Q: So there is such a thing that doctors at this point or scientist are trying to achieve a moment when they can put somebody into a state of animation for either traveling or either to wait until a cure comes up, things like that, they are going wrong, they are going about it the wrong way altogether then?

Forces: Well its not going to be the best way if you get deeper and deeper into that it will get into other qualities that could be just as drastic.

Q: What is the kind of animation in the stone. Is it the stone particles that come together around the person.

Forces: Stone qualities come together outside the person. Its just that the person or the soul happens to cross the barrier while their being organized.

Q: Can I understand it a little better?

Forces: The qualities of stone material solidification happens outside of the body. It is completely a atmospheric and clorporic type expression. In this sense you would walk into the condition of stabilization so called into more of a animation of solidification and when the state is passed, then you move on out gradually becoming desolidified.

Q: Is a person conscious inside that thing or is he unconscious?

Forces: He is conscious of a state of being, which is captivity of being.

Q: So he is alive and conscious except its sort of an imprisonment?

Forces: These things happen but not too frequently.

Q: He can’t die that’s the?

Forces: Oh no, no, no, no, no.

Q: So he can be kept on regenerated or whatever inside that?

Forces: He is put into a stabilization pattern.

Q: When the thing around him?

Forces: There is neither growth nor a failure. There is neither progress or retreat.

Q: And when was Moses put into that state?

Forces: At the point of the battle for his soul.

Q: That was in the desert?

Forces: This was to allow the final decision to be arrived at and the outcome. It would have caused a great deal of climax if a certain freedom to the soul is allowed during this period.

Q: Now inside that imprisonment of these molecules, the person has darkness unless he himself can illuminate it from within?

Forces: This is true.

Q: When does this actually take place. Is it in an physical level, on a mountain top, inside a cave, inside a ship.

Forces: It can happen almost anywhere.

Q: Is it like when they put the initiate in the tomb of the Great Pyramid, the coffin.?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Now with that chamber who builds the, who makes the thing happen.

Forces: The chamber is built over a period of time. Self usually does it.

Q: Self?

Forces: Individuals.

Q: Then how do they know to build it they would have to know it exactly in order to create such a chamber where?

Forces: You have two chambers one on a physical level and one on the astral level. Self begins to build the astral and on the physical particular initiative, initiates, initiates built at, at the age when they reach 65 years old.

Q: Now isn’t that a specific way of building something?

Forces: Yes this is specific dimension, size and wooden pegs.

Q: Because what it is, is another way of an elixir. A person does not die.

Forces: This is true.

Q: Which one of the gods in the Egyptian hierarchy would be () for me to study?

Forces: You have the god Osiris who would be the strongest part in parcel? to study. The lineage of the maker of different tribes from that point on. You have the family network, the gods who would reflect the planets throughout the solar system. Each planet having a different variance. Each star constellation having its different point to be met.

Q: Is that Osiris you said?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Could you tell me what Horus represents?

Forces: This is the quality in the earth. It would bring judgement and virtue. It is the balancing factor within the will and the heart. When the heart and the will operate together there is justice and wisdom combined. Its above (). It also is a taker from the earth to bring on to the 4th dimension.

Q: Would he be close to the Speaker (Tarot Card)?

Forces: We find it as the expression of the force communication energy from one field to the other.

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