Chapter 09
published 6 April 04

Session 607

Q: In the general scheme of things, like the alien population and the man on earth. Were the aliens here first and then man was here or how does it all fit together.

Forces: The aliens were developing on other planets and solar systems and then created man on Venus and Mars.

Session(?)

Q: Could you tell me the qualities of the planet Mars?

Forces: You don’t come from Mars do you? Oh, I’m sorry. Mars is not a bad planet. The Elders are found on that planet. Elders, you know, like Jimmy Elder. No, The Elders of the Council.

Session 539

1/3/89

Q: The idea that I had that Mars is Adam?

Forces: Yes.

Q: So the Face on Mars represents Adam?

Forces: Yes. Man was created in the atmosphere of Mars. The Garden of Eden was not located on the earth but on the planet Mars.

Q: So the Council is there?

Forces: Yes.

Q: So Woman was created on Venus?

Forces: Woman was created on the earth.

Resume Session

Q: Would you explain that they created man on Venus and Mars?

Forces: They created Man on Venus and became heavier on Mars then a certain point in their evolution, they brought them to earth or the garden of Eden.

Q: Earth was the garden of Eden?

Forces: More so Venus was.

Q: So who brought man to earth?

Forces: Man as you know him was created. Man was a beast, an animal form and man was given the spirit so not that man was brought to earth, but he was illumined in the earth.

Forces: Who did it? The same one that you call the Christ.

Forces: Is he like the creator?

Q: Yes.

Forces: He is the mess up. Man was created as a beast and was never intended to have a spirit. He saw man suffering under the toil of the earth as a worker and gave him a spirit.

Q: Was he Adam at that time?

Forces: Adam was Adam. He was Adam.

Q: So Jesus Christ was Adam at that point.

Forces: He was the first Adam.

Q: First Adam. Amilius meaning?

Forces: Same, before Adam.

Q: How many Adam’s were there?

Forces: One. But in the one were thousands. The call has gone out. Tremendous force.

Q: At that point in time?

Forces: At this point in this very moment of time.

Q: What kind of a call has gone out.

Forces: The call as the entity has said. It has begun. The vortex starts in front of the Alter and changes the whole Universe.

Q: Is the, we talk of aliens and I’m not sure if this is right. In my mind I see the guidance from the higher forces is a whole totally different aspect. But the aliens..

Forces: We do work with the aliens on a different nature. We do communicate with the sister ships we call them. It does not mean we are involved with them, but under intergalactical laws and the spiritual foundation, we must be present in all affairs concerning the issues that deal with the SS’s.

Q: What is the name?

Forces: Dealing with the SS’s. These are the different serpentinian reptiles and the wokos of the four nature of the galaxies of the untas. In such a condition, these are the most powerful forces that are in this area, the most dangerous at the same time we of the At—n nature have complete distort and what would be called incorporated their distortions into what would be in linement of the illius-ottos. In this particular compenance and in this fear of eckloctos intoome evotos. In such a element is to the supreme force of energy, this is our control.

Q: The aliens that brought man to earth, that’s not really the aliens, that’s you or that’s another level.

Forces: We are again the overseer of this whole play. It is not of our doing. But the one that have a implementation of such a contract was of a kindly nature.

Q: Now the aliens then to be regarded as something more evolved either being wise or technologically or something more than that of a divine nature. Are we talking simply higher evolution or divine nature or is that the same thing.

Forces: Their divine nature is not as imminent and as progressive as man.

Q: So there is not a sacredness to them. It is more just an evolution of a higher level?

Forces: Yes

Q: Which one’s are we talking about, the reptilians or which ones. I’m very confused with this whole thing. With It sounds like there are more than, there are quite a few of them but there are quite a few good and quite a few not so good.

Forces: There are five that are not that great. Which we are overseeing and controlling but not getting involved. There are 44 total around the earth and the galaxies of the earth proper.

Q: Out of those 44; five are not good. Are there that are right down evil?

Forces: The five that are not so good.

Q: Now, even those five. You have the right to be at the table there with them so to speak. At the conference or I don’t know what to call it.

Forces: Sister ships.

Q: You still call them sister ships even though they are not so good.

Forces: We are nice.

(Laughter)

Session 615

Q: In the Book of Solomon it talks about the 5 accursed nations, are these like the 5 alien races?

Forces: Yes.

Q: Do they go along with the 5 races of man?

Forces: Well let us say they are the attributes of these alien (…).

Q: So each alien has a different race he affects?

Forces: Yes

Q: Which would be the one for the white race?

Forces: It would be the Talls.

Q: So the Reptillian are the Chinese?

Forces: Yes.

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Q: So, if I would speak in a language, the only one I can comprehend is the SCI-if, shall we call it lets say a galactic or a universal, I don’t know what, but you are the observers of everybody and everything and therefore you have to be at all the conferences so to speak? And I oversimplifying? I don’t know how to…

Forces: No conference gets into conference without our being.

Q: Okay. So that is correct? The way I am understanding?

Forces: Go ahead.

Q: So now, you oversee and you have the right to interject but you don’t have the right to negate completely? Because.

Forces: We do have a certain force of operation when they offer a violation of the law we follow.

Q: Okay. But they have as many rights as the rest of the 44, as the rest of the 39. Everybody is following certain laws and you are sort of, no not the police, you are not the police. There is a police force what we would consider a police force, but you, that works for you. Is that correct?

Forces: No. They don’t work for us. We are simply where we are at, overseeing. But we are not the force of judgment or law or order. That should be sufficient for the moment.

Q: That there has to be a force like that because who has then if somebody breaks some of those rules or whatever it is that you are speaking of.

Forces: It is by the rules that are broken. The rules themselves take discipline.

Q: Oh my God.

Forces: Question?

Q: Then when we refer to Black Force are we referring to those five groups of aliens?

Forces: Now remember, the black forces is your way of explaining this energy. But it is an energy field. Not that they are negative, but hostile some, yes; to certain things. But for us to explain the whole gamut what is out there, will only make you contused, nervous, jittery and Alka-seltzer.

Q: But in praying, is it that we pray to the aliens that brought us here, we pray at your level, we pray to a level higher than your level.

Forces: Your prayers are connecting yourselves to your soul. Or to your higher level that must be done in order to safeguard your identity.

Q: And our Higher level is at what point in relation to all these levels of beings?

Forces: Little lower than the Angel. But much higher that anything that has ever been created than the angels.

Q: And the Angels stand at what place in relation to the level of these beings?

Forces: The Angels are the Angels. They are the servants. the being’ s are interactions with them. Levels are Levels. But man and woman on the earth stands above all this which challenges the gods.

Q: Then when we say gods, we mean at what level?

Forces: Levels of creation.

Q: But there is a one God that this connects to at a higher level than all this?

Forces: I don’t think you can pin this on one person.

(Laughter)

Q: Because there was earlier sessions where it was said that we too must bow to the will of the highest, the one god. That was said in earlier sessions, several times. So then what was being referred to?

Forces: We are not disputing that. We are just saying you cannot pin man’s creation onto one god.

Q: But those are the words of a session, so the session was referring to whom or to what.

Forces: What would you say it to be referring to?

Q: In order for there to be harmony in the universe as I understand it this moment which may change 5 seconds from now depending on what you might say or what I might think, it would be something higher that all must conform to some law and some way in order to keep some order in the universe. There must be some higher force or being..

Forces: And that is the Being that we speak about that all order and all action, and the action itself if it breaks the law of this particular law of the, then that law itself becomes activated by the breaking of it. This comes from that force or supreme force.

Q: Then if I say a rosary and I call on the force of Mary, what am I calling on? What level, where is that and this..

Forces: Remember, you are dealing with your soul at that point. So you are creating a mantra around your soul and bringing your energy of your force of your soul down into the earth body.

Q: And where does my soul stand in relation to all these higher hierarchies.

Forces: Again, you are a threat because you have the spirit within given to you. And therefore you are above the Angels and of course when you were created, you challenged the galaxies.

Q: So man now is a little lower than the Angel..

Forces: But higher than the Angels.

Q: But eventually has the capacity to be higher than the Angels?

Forces: And also is the big enigma of the galaxies. All life as we know it on all planets look to the earth. This is strange. We would say who would want to bother with the earth. But because of your nature of being beasts, of being the ability to have procreation of the mental mind, of the soul within the mental body and the body itself, you are a component highly versatile, highly tuned and above all expectations that were ever devised to be made.

Q: Now, we are all of that but we were solely brought into a beast form in the earth. But that is what that action created?

Forces: Unfortunately or fortunately, yes.

Q: Now out of those 5 alien races, is any of them or all of them together or none of them. Or is it a separate thing, that force that we call..

Forces: They all work as a team and have other ships that they all go together. They all work together.

Q: the Five? (pause) Those five work together? (pause) Those five work together?

Forces: Excuse us, we are trying to deal with something. Have a little respect.

Q: Oh, I am sorry. (pause)

Forces: There is a need that the information that we are giving you does not come forth. Therefore certain other extra energy fields we’re trying to alter the force coming in. Of course. it could not have that effect. Now we are ready for your questions.

Q: Thank you. Those five, are they different, the same or as what we call Lucifer, Satan or is this..

Forces: Well, lets just leave it. There is no question the reptilians could and can be identified as Satan and Lucifer all broken down in the different categories. But there are those grays that work and on and on and on. But we have to understand that the evil one is also used for that which will eventually down the road be for the purpose. And that will eventually be changed.

Q: Thank you. Also, from these 44 alien races, none of them can procreate?

Forces: Well, No, No, No, no, we are not saying that. Some of them can’t do it because of an evolution hang up and change. But we are not saying that. We are merely saying that we have the corner in that market. Not us but you.

Q: Right, Is that the most desirable thing then? Procreation?

Forces: No, no, no we never, no, no, no, no, no, no, we are, we didn’t say that.

Q: So then, what we pose as an enigma is because we have a soul, a higher self.

Forces: It is so, it is so much to speak to you about, yet to do it fast or all in one moment we have spoke to you for many, many sessions. We are trying to keep it as concised, and as conserved in its informational text, but at the same time, your questions are very important for your understanding the concepts. The concepts are very confusing and we do not blame you for being frustrated with understanding it. But at the same time, we want to give the opportunity to share information that is good and accurate and not complicated, confusing and totally, totally disengaging of what you might know up to this point in our sessions for over years. Everything ties in together. Some more, some less. But know is the time for us to be open, frank, expedient, and deliver to you what you need.

Session 615

Q: Thank you. Are these aliens the sons of god mentioned in the bible that married the daughters of men?

Forces: Those are some of them, yes.

Q: And you had mentioned in previous sessions how man was like a role model in their evolution for the elements of the earth. If man prevails in its evolution and holds fast to what we have gained so far and continue to evolve, will the aliens eventually learn from that and evolve or will they just never cease until, or will they never cease until they stop or die? Is there any chance that they will evolve?

Forces: They are bewildered and perplexed and amazed with the spiritual attribute of man’s ability to pray. They do not understand prayer. And man doing it perplexes them because it is an energy field that is produced they do not understand. Yes, they are evolving just by getting in touch and involved with man.

Q: Is it because we, man, has slowly grown from the beast and then slowly been guided up while perhaps were not in the beast stage so they never felt the need for prayer?

Forces: They were not created to understand that. They were more mental in their application and in being mental they do not understand the soul or spirit. Therefore, clue – answer. Gravitate more to the spirit and the soul. Conquer all that is around you. this is the course. If you stay on the spirit and prayer and the spiritual road rather than the mental road; the mental road decays and falls to the spiritual road. The mental road becomes the spiritual road. Therefore if you take the spiritual road, offset by prayer and meditation and chanting and singing, then you will be at the place where you need to be without doing the work extra or the mental. the mental succumbs to the spiritual; the mental always leads to the spiritual confirmation. So, jump on to the spiritual and it will catapult you to where you need to be meaning you will be at the best place at the right place at the right time without that much effort.

Q: Ruben lost his birthright, and it was given to Joseph. Could you explain what it means in the bible when it says that Judah became first among his brethren because he prevailed on them and why did that happen?

Forces: This is speaking of the birthright of the spirit, the soul, the incarnate or the soul level of the birthright is given. One looses it when one A) does not keep anchored to the novitiate or to the teacher or to the advarter. This is the soul connection for the purpose and when the birthright is lost the link between that spiritual force hook up effects other generations down the line. Not necessarily the one lost it, but the effect of it has a ripple

Q: If man was on Venus, what was happening on the earth?

Forces: It was not the in place, it was not the in spot and there were no night clubs. Venus was the most active place and became more like the vacation place of the galaxies. And then it no longer was in favor and they made then man on earth which became the vacation spot of the world.

Q: Do any of these 44 have souls?

Forces: For the sake of not confusing you, yes and some no. Question.

Q: Okay, so it is a different evolution. Its just a different type of thing altogether.

Forces: Yes. Question.

Q: Were they here forever or did they converge on this earth?

Forces: Well, they were converging and they were elsewhere. Question?

Q: Do I understand that Talbot as being the 49?

Forces: Question?

Q: The name Talbot in representing the 49.

Forces: Yes. Question.

Q: Do I understand there are actually 44 plus the 5?

Forces: Yes. Question.

Q: 49 all together then really.

Forces: Yes. Question.

Q: Who gave us the gift of the feather. What was the name of the force. They gave us the gift of the feather.

Forces: Let us just say the Angels did. Question.

Q: The five bad ones. Each one attacks a different sense, of the five senses?

Forces: Yes. Question.

Q: Are you then a whole separate thing besides the 49?

Forces: We don’t eat at McDonalds. We are not of the 49, but we are of the 49. question.

Q: Any of those 49 that are native to this earth?

Forces: No, question.

Q: And you also, are you using man to kind of lure these beings so that they can be evolved?

Forces: Yes

Forces: You are the counterpart of changing the whole evolution of everything.

Q: Are there any other universes with earth’s and free will?

Forces: Let us just say this, this hasn’t happened anywhere! question

Q: Is it an 18 day course?

Forces: We would like to say we wish it could be. question. There are some aliens that still are trying to figure you out and catch up to you. being that you are an emotional in nature, no is guaranteed and nobody ever will. question.

Q: Do any of them have rights over people here on the earth since some of them abduct people? How do they get away with it since breaking a law would automatically put them in a bad, in punishing mode.

Forces: Well, its kind of a human being question. And being a human being (bean) it kind of jumps up and down. they are not held accountable because were you had come from was worse.

Q: For those who get abducted you mean.

Forces: If they abduct you and you decry not to and to leave, by the law of the galaxies, then that is the cry. question?

Q: So does mean that if they abduct you and you say this is not what I want, they are at fault?

Forces: Well, let us say the sister ships do take and we do watch and we talk and we try to counsel them to decry that decry and to innately put into them. But sometimes they figure that these aliens are good brothers to them and make them gods. Then we have no other alternative but to mind our business. question.

Q: What is the cry?

Forces: Declare! question.

Q: Do I understand that the letters, the 22 letters can be like double that to get 44, each letter for a person who knows can tune into each one of those 44 of the letters of the Hebrew alphabet?

Forces: Yes

Q: When you say this hasn’t been done anywhere, has it been tried?

Forces: No, no, no it has not. What is happening here on the earth was a god that came and gave you the spirit. That was never, never supposed to be done. And that was Elohim, and that was Yahweh, and that was those gods, that got involved and we could go on and on but remember you have many names of God. each name of God is this might go back to your original question is there one God? Each name of God is a god force of that particular entities of gods that operate.

Q: And all of these gods, that was Jesus Christ, one of them. Is that who gave us the soul? that you said in this session?

Forces: That was the underlying focal point in heritage and gods of the distance.

Q: Why did her do it?

Forces: What?

Q: What was his reason? or was there are reason. Why did he give us a soul?

Forces: (Hands are being extended as is the gesture of a question)

Q: No body knows?

Forces: We still today watch them go (extends hands again). At this point we will have to leave. We will speak to you again soon. Greetings to all here present now.

Q: Thank you. With this people that are the top part of the world government, the one’s that allow all this and the one’s that are in contact with the aliens, where is their humanity at this point.

Forces: To see other civilizations on the planet Mars develop, and persevere for the preservation of humanity.

Q: So they have, they think they are being idealistic?

Forces: They think they are being realistic by getting the top notch people off the earth on to another planet to cultivate, and high qualities of beings to get rid of the inferior beings on the earth.

Q: But, doesn’t that still come from us? Just basic humanity? Basic love?

Forces: Unfortunately, that is outdated. That is old hat. Those concepts do not work for the superior man to come.

Q: Thank you

Q: Is there a superior man that is coming.

Forces: They believe genetically, intelligently, superior mentally, have been weaned off the earth and placed on Mars.

Q: Couldn’t they have Mars and leave Earth alone?

Forces: No, because they need to wipe the earth clean and repopulate it with these superior races to come.

Q: People in the government that are involved in this, do they think they are going to be chosen?

Forces: Well, they feel that by being involved in it, they are already chosen. question.

Q: Thank you. But they can be eliminated just as easily.

Forces: Yes, at anytime. question.

Q: So Mars is an incubator?

Forces: Cal! it what it is. The point is the aliens as they are fighting among themselves, our own governments, fighting for supremacy; its an unbelievable mess.

Q: Thank you. You said in the last session that this property is on one of the mystery schools? Could you explain that? Is that under the ground.

Forces: It is the starting of the school from the beginning. And it is on the ground itself with its own evolution.

Q: So the etheric energy of this property is..

Forces: That too, yes. Also the electromagnetic fields and the lines of work.

Q: So, the aliens. Their real hope is to get back their worker beasts and to destroy those with spirit?

Forces: More or less.

Q: In earlier sessions, you talked about the souls being as souls hovering over the earth and then getting involved in materiality. And in the last session, you talked about the beast forms that the souls were brought into by the one who we call the Christ, how do those two reconcile?

Forces: We don’t understand your question?

Q: There was two different forms that were given to how we got involved in physical forms in the earth. One was we were souls on an etheric or higher level and we became involved in materiality by constant experimenting, etc.

Forces: Exactly, it was the DNA changes within the beast. The DNA structure was taken out of the souls. They were superior element under distant galaxies.

Q: So we interfered with the DNA structure of the beast body and came into it?

Forces: Repeat?

Q: We interfered with the DNA structure that was in the beast bodies and then entered them?

Forces: WE?

Q: Well, it said that we came into, the souls came into the, that are in the earth came into the beast bodies that were here. maybe I misunderstand it?

Forces: WE?

Q: I don’t understand.

Forces: What do you mean by WE?

Q: You said that we; it talked of us as being souls in the earth that were brought into beast bodies by the one we call the Christ. So I am trying to understand that they both mean the same thing, its just..

Forces: The element of the soul was taken by the angels and through that of Adam the spirit of light was placed within the beasts of the earth, of burden, illuminating his soul and conscientiousness by the changing of the deep sleep and his DNA structure creating a soul within the beast. The souls were taken out of a lineage, a line of a superior force that completely altered and changed the plans of the gods.

Q: Now, our souls that were existence in a life prior to coming into this level?

Forces: The souls were of an existence of an element of a superior force of the best qualities of these force; altering and entering into the structure of the beast of burden, sabotaging the plans of the gods, altering it for the creation and duration of eternity.

Q: And in saying the plans of the gods you mean who as the gods.

Forces: Yahweh, Elohim, Sabboath.

Q: And these are at what level in relation to, is this you or a different level or being entity from what you are.

Forces: We are the humble watchers of this play that is working out.

Q: On the 8th dimension you talked about before in another session how ships ( ? ) the host, I was thinking that when it comes down to this level and appears metallic, does that mean all elements on this level on the 8th dimension since there are 144 perfect elements, that means they’re host on the 8th dimension, they’re like host.

Forces: Well let us say yeah, yes they’re, they have the Deity-ship ( ? ).

Q: Could you help me understand the 144 spiritual elements talked about a long time ago and how they appear in this dimension as related to the higher dimensions?

Forces: Well they appear in the genetic structure as far as your DNA structure, that is one part of the 144,000. DNA structure is not completely finished for there are 3 offshoots that will be found to explain the missing genetic structure of diseases. There is a 2 bead bolus on the northeast side of one directly south of it and a third one that shoots from the south one to the right. These are the 3 extra findings, sections where to look to find another type of hereditary or intelligent beings that is in man, that will soon develop.

Q: Are these like connected with the missing elements on the periodic chart?

Forces: Missing element is a whole different concept and there will be found a few more missing elements as time goes on.

Q: What is it that resides in the DNA molecule?

Forces: The spirit resides in the DNA molecule.

Q: The complete universe without the blessing of God?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Could you please tell me about platelets, what their signification is on a spiritual level and why lately it seems like I’ve been getting all sorts of information about them or people have been talking to me about them?

Forces: Platelets are the backbone of the blood cell and it is in this that the blood has its strength and energy. They are to find that also the nucleus is not Just the electrons and protons, the nucleus of the atom, but their is within the nucleus the center of atom that scientists will discover is the true soul of the DNA structure. And it is in this that will unleash a great deal of knowledge.

Q: The substance that is within the nucleus of a cell, is it the same of which the soul is made?

Forces: Scientists will begin to understand that the nucleus is not the nucleus of a cell that their is a new center in the cell, their just too stupid to find it.

Q: The center within a cell is that the same as the Ring Pass Me Not?

Forces: Yes, you could compare it to such, yes.

Q: The center within the cell that is obviously not the nucleus, is it associated with one of the things that has a name in scientific terms, is it the Mitochrondia?

Forces: Yes, I N 11 let it be it.

Q: Do the 22 letters go along with the a, like I was reading about, the 22 amino acids? Does it correspond to that?

Forces: Yes, of course.

Q: So in the beginning of Genesis that’ what there talking about?

Forces: Among other things, they are also talking about this factor too.

Q: What does the center, the nucleic acid represent in the center of the cell?

Forces: This represents the soul essence.

Q: Does it represent the higher, like the high letters?

Forces: Of course it represents this pattern or plane. If you take one of those elements, centers out you would have the whole structure for another body.

Q: So this is when it says in the Bible not to tamper with that, the Laws, not to profane the ah central point? You should never tamper with the cells in the body?

Forces: Of course. Well, it can get out of hand.

Q: Is there or were there such a thing as Genies in bottles or out of them?

Forces: There are still Genies in bottles, what do you think I am. All you have to do is rub the right place. Our ship mechanisms operate on such a system. Genies in bottles represent those what would be called the genetical side or the (gene-y-side) which was their original names when they came to earth. All those who did see them in India thought they were Genies in bottles. In fact they came from a ship or space craft that was made out of pure cylindical glass substance. Raising from them the power and vapors which produced them and projected them from the space-craft. Very important information I give you. People at that particular time asked "Who art thou"? and they "We are Genies", which was the name that they were originally specified or their species were named "Genie Afeytus", or" the One named Genie, or the "genes of the One", or "the cells of One", or "the Cells of the Elo", or "the Cells of One.

Q: When you are saying "we" your talking about your own, you right?

Forces: Creation of many parts and faculties of us.

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