SESSION 203 11/27/78
published 17 December 11

Forces-Greetings to all here present now. We as time is moving on find that there is more and more speeding up of the different cycles of movements and (—-). You are now entering into the age of flames and fire as so is during the period of cold. We would also (be aware) of these flames and fires and make sure you be ah attentive to these elements. We would find that there should be a volcanic strange earthquakes throughout the world and many changes as far as political extensions and ideas are happening at this moment. We find stress in the Middle East as you would find it to be such and find some new workings in China and the relationship between America. This would be an interesting program to see how positively it could be activated. Now we would stress the factors involved in the house on the (—-) but we would also ask that consciousness and awareness be given to the things that are simple and normal for these things can become complicated when not ah paid attention to ah if you have the ability of drawing the diagrams for your wire system this could help you out tremendously in locating or directing ah wires that are a problem or faulty wiring. If these wires could be ah drawn or written or allocated or diagramed out so at least you would know what is to where and where is to what.
Forces-We are ready for your questions.
GL-Are there any trouble spots in the wiring in the house?
Forces-No the trouble spots, what would be considered trouble spots just generally checking and making sure that no nails or staplers are piercing the wire system and also just making sure these socket sections are secured tightly and firmly to the contact switches.
GL-Thank you.
GL-Could you give us the spiritual cause for hyperactivity in children?
Forces-Inability of listening to the laws within self, the ah inability of abiding by the conscious of the conscience that is within self and the running away from the laws of life.
GL-Thank you.
GL-Also can tell us how Adam gained control over the animals?
Forces-It is more of the more of the slow process of disciplining and working within self that these animals became controlled.
GL-Could more details be given about that?
Forces-Generally it took many, many years in that he worked with certain aspects of desires within self in visions and dreams and power and energy, fact you would say hyperactivity comes all the way from the point of Cain and Abel. This also dealt with food and the presence of food. One offered up a meat sacrifice the other offered up a grain sacrifice.
GL-Thank you.
MK-Is there any guidance for me at this time?
Forces-The way you say it, it looks like you’ve done something wrong. The guidance is just generally being perceptive and attentive to the wills and the demands of everyday living, being expressively alert and alive to the spirit in within you. This guidance must be alive, self will that is within you must be brought down to some sort of service. Tremendous amount of personal self will has always been your personal problem. Things that you see that you want versus the things that need to be done. Not wanting to sacrifice the time, you would go up and try to do the things that you want always falling into the pit. The point is perceive the things that have to be done first, accomplishing the things that you need or want to do second. Having the things that need to be done first will give you room to express those other concepts of personal ideas of things you want.
MK-Thank you.
DN-Who are the Mennonite people the people that we spent the evening with last night?
Forces-They live over in the house yonder. They are generally a simple flock of people striving to keep and to preserve some type of tradition and harmony and order within their social clan.
DN-Where did they reincarnate together before?
Forces-Well it’s generally the pattern of Egypt and out in the desert for 40 years they were trying to work certain aspects out basically around Moses time.
DN-Does that mean they were Israelites then?
Forces-Majority of them were.
DN-Which particular tribe?
Forces-All different types.
DN-Why did it seem so strange last night and each of us had sort of different reactions even physical reactions?
Forces-It was just a general awareness of the accumulation of every sort of spiritual expression that was happening in one house. It was like the roof popped open. More or less it was something that was being done. Some of the things weren’t really necessary but they should be more of a Mennonite type control to their own personal standard and ways of Worshiping rather than selling it all out to the lot of whoever comes in. But then again the Mennonite type of service needs a lot of correction and a lot of strengthening in many aspects. But at this point in time they are where they are at therefore we need them to develop as time moves on for their own sake for their own spiritual awareness and personal agreement to the spirit.
DN-Thank you.
JE-Is the service station that DN and I looked at the correct one?
Forces-You would find this to be helpful and near to correct.
JE-Is it in that area?
Forces-You will find several in that area this could be the most help full.
JE-Thank you.
Forces-The name of the station you found.
JE-Wasn’t a name listed on it that I could see.
Forces-Let’s hope it doesn’t close up tomorrow.
JE-Thank you.
IS-Is that the reason why you couldn’t see a name because it had no name on it?
Forces-Well we thought we asked knowing that he didn’t have a name finding out if he didn’t have a name it might not be the right one for the one we have is has a name.
NN-Did Solomon incarnate in the time of Jesus, was he around Jesus?
Forces-No.
NN-Thank you.
NN-In Psalm 34 is that wisdom speaking when it says “come ye children hearken unto me I’ll teach you the fear of the Lord”?
Forces-That would be close to (the) wisdom.
NN-Thank you.
IS-The electricity flickering especially in the two bedrooms the chandeliers and this bathroom is it connected right in the electricity and the chandelier?
Forces-Well for the bathroom you would double check the connecting systems and making sure it is adequately connected and tightly fastened. For the chandeliers you would double check the input output sockets that holdup the arms being that they are to begin with a weak circuit as far as very sensitive to movements and changes and sounds and pressure causing it to flicker. Generally it looks to be alright if you could just check on the securing factors of aspects this would do you very well.
IS-Thank you for this morning helping, was it the fault of the socket or was it the fault of the line?
Forces-Let us say it was a combination of both. The socket itself was defected and the plug itself was defected so you were battling a system that was 99.9 percent for the next individual to touch the socket was going to receive a birthday gift.
IS-If that’s correct if I wasn’t praying at the time it would have been much more…?
Forces-You would have found certain other different fingers on your hand.
IS-Thank you.
IS-MAR and her two sons with all her emotional things how come she doesn’t get a (—-) or something.
Forces-(—) there are things that still need to be worked out within herself.
IS-Her sons what is wrong what is there future those dreams from (—-) or that little child?
Forces-Well they need to be worked with they have been uprooted and they have had a past that was very insecure the most parties sons and mother need a certain amount of calmness. They are active in such a degree that could be destructive.
IS-So there all hyperactive people?
Forces-In one respect or another.
IS-MAR is she black-forces?
Forces-Well let us say she hasn’t made a full commitment to that but if she keeps continuing on this road of illusions she might very well walk into the territory and not return.
IS-And then what would happen?
Forces-Well that will be the future.
IS-Thank you.
IS-Her older son is there something that can be done to help him?
Forces-This will take time and considerable amount of time the biggest help for everyone as long as they are still alive.
IS-She knows we are not in favor of what she’s doing to Ray-Ann?
Forces-She senses something’s wrong.
IS-Has her behavior changed?
Forces-Slightly.
IS-Thank you.
IS-Why groups with religious purpose fall down with the first offense? We have all kinds of groups that do a lot of things not as a group but maybe as groups too we have a country as a group too but I mean groups of people. If they are not involved in religious things, things don’t happen to them as bad but anything that labels itself as religious group immediately bingo they fell down or whatever they did and immediately it goes to the worst? Like with that cult (Jim Jones) that just now happened.
Force-Well you’re dealing with a tremendous amount of power you’re also dealing with personal desires and wanting, personal desires and spiritual ideals get together there’s a bound to be more of a disagreement. They seem to have got involved too much on the worldly aspect of political things rather than keeping their doors to the spiritual elements.
IS-Those political things are they involved with Russia?
Forces-Well in a strange sort of way.
IS-Are they playing espionage games?
Forces-Well we won’t take it to that length but there are strange happenings that did and manifest in this area.
IS-Why did they kill themselves?
Forces-There are some who believe that they would be all meeting on the other side continuing there group or consciousness or gather of sorts what would be said they had a understanding that they would all join on the other side and continue on where they were at. Some believed this and some believed that there was a greater power that was going to come down in a force that would take them just before they died and some believed that it was not really scheduled to terminate this way but deep down there was this desire to all meet on the other side.
IS-Did they?
Forces-Well eh they did.
IS-But they didn’t stay together too long?
Forces-Well what happened on the other side is for the other side.
IS-Why was the leader shot instead of poison?
Forces-Well there was a discrepancy it could have been an argument or a fight some say he did it for him that is he rather go this way than the other way.
IS-That was the only reason?
Forces-It was complicated for us to explain everything that happened in this area, was more of a personal disagreement in how or what things could be done or should be done.
IS-Did he plan to survive?
Forces-He had some thinking of surviving. You see there is more here than can meet the eye there had been other units that were involved that disappeared.
IS-Other people beside the 912?
Forces-Correct.
IS-Where are they?
Forces-Well they just merged into the countries say ah fac, faculties or different political movements.
IS-In America or overseas?
Forces-Different areas.
IS-Are they still functioning as part of that group?
Forces-Well they simply weren’t part of the group they were some type of control factor in the group.
IS-So it is espionage?
Forces-Well not that sort of a way.
IS-Will there more come out of this?
Forces-Well there will be a lot to discern and discussed and decided about.
IS-What did they believe in these people their spiritual ideals?
Forces-It was a combination of strange thinking as so called strange to some, some believed in some type of waiting to be taken away. Others believed in the coming of some type of era and others believed in of course the ah the ah spiritual leader having powers that would take them in a form of consciousness to a other place of, of being physically ah this I guess they were impatient for and helped them along with it.
IS-By getting involved in material things?
Forces-Well it is a combination of many factors and we cannot really go into deeply but the (gold) goal itself was a factor that kind of tarnished the whole business.
IS-If they had not been involved with the gold would they have been a correct spiritual movement?
Forces-That and other things they got involved with then they might have had a chance to bring some idealism into the world.
IS-Jim Jones who was he in a previous life that we could recognize?
Forces-This will not be necessary to give ah he had some influence of course again in Moses time and some of the people who left him to go into the wilderness to live the way they wanted to live.
IS-In Moses time but not Moses?
Forces-No.
IS-Thank you.
IS-Is it the same way like a (—-) Jesus?
Forces-Well they all had their problems.
IS-Thank you.
IS-So to them he was just one more cultist leader of a group?
Forces-Correct.
IS-You said in a previous Session that there would be some finding of the missing link between humanity and whatever. Could we know what it is?
Forces-It would be like a skeleton system that will give man a different shape and size of what he was or what he thought he was. The dating of the bone will go further back than man could realize.
IS-Will it be an intelligent being?
Forces-Well bones can’t really talk.
IS-But they have been able to find with bone structure of the head certain things.
Forces-They surmise that the bone structure determines the intelligence of the being they would find this to be a factor but the hand structure will be throwing them off.
IS-What will be the hand structure?
Forces-A different type of size from normal shape and development.
IS-Who are those bones who were they?
Forces-Well this would be brought to the Pre-Atlantis time.
IS-And were they intelligent beings?
Forces-They were very intelligent.
IS-Were they half animal or were they just humans?
Forces-Well they weren’t that very developed beings going into the Atlantis period, Atlantean period.
IS-Lemurian?
Forces-Atlantean.
IS-Were they Lemurian?
Forces-Some did come from that continent but these came from their own land structure.
IS-Taller people?
Forces-Similar tall.
IS-Thank you.
IS-Is the master bathroom plumbing ok now?
Forces-You will find that to be working in operational order different quirks here and there to be ironed out but its will work out fine.
IS-The fungus is it all right or should I continue?
Forces-Well it’s cleared up it can be continued for a while longer.
IS-Another month?
Forces-Yes but the idea that it happens as far as the moisture in the air and the heat during the month of July and August.
IS-So it might come back?
Forces-These things do happen.
IS-But I never had before.
Forces-It is the location of the different climates that bring upon this condition also. IS-What is the true story of King Arthur and was he called a bastard child and was he like the book describes him and his wife and Sir Lancelot?
Forces-There have been some thoughts that this was what he was all about the book has some accuracy to it.
IS-What is the (—-) to King Arthur?
Forces-That he did come from the area, united the people in their feuding and brought a certain amount of peace to the area for many years.
IS-Was his teacher Merlyn (Merlin)?
Forces-He had a magician that was by that name.
IS-Was he the bastard son of a king?
Forces-Well his legitimacy to the kingdom was in question.
IS-Did he pull out a sword that nobody else could pull out/
Forces-This he did.
IS-Was it by magic or by strength?
Forces-By inner wisdom. The love aspect did it.
IS-You once said that I was his daughter?
Forces-Well let us say you were involved directly within the whole workings and confines of this organization.
IS-Did he have any daughters?
Forces-He had several inheriting factors.
IS-From different women than Guinevere?
Forces-Well yes.
IS-So these children were illegitimate too.
Forces-Well in a way.
IS-But Guinevere had no children?
Forces-She tried.
IS-What is it that I ah, this life with King Arthur?
Forces-Well the inability with Merlyn not listening to the secrets that he gave him and wasting away a great deal of the power.
IS-I was angry that he wouldn’t listen to Merlyn?
Forces-The power that was being given to King Arthur.
IS-Was I just a child at that time?
Forces-More or less.
IS-How would I know about such things?
Forces-You were involved with Merlyn.
IS-Then does it mean that King Arthur could have done much better?
Forces-Correct.
IS-The lost one was also a daughter of one of the knights?
Forces-Well this is true.
IS-In hindsight now what was that relationship?
Forces-It was more of the black forces within the workings and confines of the Table.
IS-They had women at the Table too?
Forces-More or less the influence of the woman upon the knights.
IS-Which knight was her knight?
Forces-In well the knight from the north Adextrius (?away from right).
IS-And she was his daughter or wife or mistress?
Forces-More of a mistress type aspect.
IS-Did King Arthur have any designs on her?
Forces-In an indirect way.
IS-Is that one of the things that I had (tape stopped)
IS-inside of me correct it that?
Forces-It has worked itself out.
IS-Thank you.
IS-The tiles we have laid down so far are they correct?
Forces-If one of the members want to check on the children up above preferably Beaura.
Forces-Tiles on the floor is doing alright they’re correct.
IS-Should we continue the (—-) with ah even if the prices go up?
Forces-If you would want to you could to a continuation to the end of February then if the prices go up you can continue to have your own service.
IS-Thank you. Now HA ask me to ask advice for her.
Forces-Advice is strange, if she’s willing to take on a disciplined role or a disciplined way of living the point is that we have given her a way or points of styles that she should work with and has turned away from them when things get comfortable when things get uncomfortable she asks for advice. Again we only say that the commitment to the spiritual beliefs if one is to learn on a spiritual level what this house represents and what the involvement is in it then the distance that has been brought about over the months should be brought closer together that there is not the distance that there is now for the distance only represents the inability to share the spiritual beliefs and getting lost into material roads and expressions of material gratifications of the expressions of desires.
IS-Does she have problems right now?
Forces-well the problems are only the inability of expression and this comes on in time. More or less the balancing factor of her life too much into the worldly expression causes a great deal of chaos and disruption within the spiritual world, a balance on a spiritual side as well as the worldly side.
IS-Is she having problems?
Forces-Well there is problems but we cannot give answers until certain other problems are taken care of.
RU-In order to continue with the (—-) immunizations is there a doctor or a clinic we should enroll them in?
Forces-Well we will find one for you. We have a Dr. Newman might be located in Charlottesville unless he moved to a different area ion Crozet. We have a Dr. Wescott that could help you ah we will find one for you if you need one. Generally the health department in the county can furnish the vaccinations for the children.
RU-Thank you.
RU-With the hyperactivity that was asked earlier in the Session is this physical susceptibility in boys to that a genetic thing that is in the karmetic family grouping that is passed down?
Forces-It is passed down from female to female by the inability of controlling desires which affects the child the child becomes hyperactive. It is the inability in the woman to discipline her own thoughts from imagination to imagination manifesting this quality within the energy of the boy quality child.
RU-Thank you.
RU-The diet that we are doing with HP and perhaps with some more modification is that correct or can any further thing be given?
Forces-Salt (? starch) should be eliminated sugars of all kinds prunes of course, fruits of oranges and raisins and bananas. Oatmeal farina basically that will be the beginning.
RU-So basically it’s fresh meats and fresh vegetables or are the canned vegetables all right?
Forces-If cooked for a period of 15 minutes at a simmer. Generally more vegetables than meat and if meat is to be served a lamb or chicken would have a calming aspect, chicken to be soaked in more of a vinegar solution for about 5, 10 minutes.
IS-Before cooking?
Forces-Correct. And also vinegar is a tremendous additive to cut into this whole problem, a half a glass of vinegar in the morning and at night can help tremendously.
DN-Is what we’re dealing with an over acid balance and not enough of alkaline that was given in the Cayce Readings?
Forces-Well there is an overactive balance within this but it is also brought upon by the bringing of the thought forms of the mother aspect.
DN-But basically on a physical level it’s the acid that’s too much right?
Forces-The physical level is only the manifestation of the mothers thoughts.
DN-Thank you.
RU-Would it help if I did this diet also?
Forces-Well you definitely need an expression of control. If we say the alkaline diet or on a physical level is too much of this or too much of that, that might set your pace or thoughts in a physical consciousness expression of correction rather than a spiritual correction.
GL-Is there anything that can be done to shield the child from the mothers thought forms?
Forces-Well we find this quite hard because the mother has a direct link with the child as far as her proper growing process nor can we shield the child from the father’s thoughts but none the less it is up to both parents to help the child with the best aspect by disciplining and working with themselves first and then the expression or the effect will come upon the child.
GL-Thank you.
RH-Two nights ago on the balcony Tom showed me the sky and then I didn’t see anything and then he said it was the Moon. Was there something else that I would have seen but I just didn’t see it?
Forces-Well there are certain objects that were visible there but none the less he wanted you to other things at that night.
RH-If a spaceship came would I be able to see it?
Forces-Chances are you might not be able to see it you may need somebody to help you point too it or you might be lead up a plank by it and you still might not see it.
IS-Did she experience the things meant for her?
Forces-Ah she received it.
IS-So actually she must learn how to receive on an inner because of the inability to see on the outer?
Forces-More or less.
RH-Thank you.
RH-When the clothes were being chewed off the line outside was that Zikon or was that another dog?
Forces-Well it’s a combination of all three.
IS-How can we stop it?
Forces-Well there is a way you just put electricity into the line when the dog bites into the clothes they’ll get a shock the biggest problem is when the person comes to take the clothes off he too will get a shock. (Laughter) unless you turn the switch and let the shock be turned off and then take the clothes off but then you always have the problem of neighbors coming and bumping into the laundry and they’ll get a shock. Then you have the problem of birds going on the line and they’ll drop dead (Laughter).
IS-If we didn’t have Zikon would we still have that problem?
Forces-You would still have the problem.
IS-Now did Zikon get hit by a car when he got hit?
Forces-He did.
IS-Purposefully?
Forces-Well accidently purposely, accidently on his part.
IS-Who was the neighbor that did it?
Forces-This has no bearings on the direction of movement, could be down there.
IS-How come they want to do it against us?
Forces-Not against you he was moving in a direction, didn’t see Zikon at that moment, swerved in a wrong direction side swiping him. He was intoxicated.
IS-Thank you.
JU-Are elementals the substances themselves or are they life forms around the substances?
Forces-Elementals are everything that has dirt.
JU-So every substance is made up of composites of elementals?
Forces-In one respect or another. That’s why striving to keep the place clean wipes away certain elementals, that’s the battle between the spirit and the earth constantly in the house, to get straight lines and straight images is a battle of the elements and the straighter the line the more the harmony in the house and the crookeder the more the lines are filled up the more elementals can come in.
JU-Thank you.
JU-Is there any prayer or anything I might be doing…?
Forces-To sale for the roast beef.
JU-Yes.
Forces-Lord help us to eat this in thy just the right way that only spiritual fibers might grow from it. You say that constantly they think something might be wrong with your toe.
JU-That will affect the thousands of people that eat them?
Forces-Of course they’ll come back for more.
JU-People in Charlottesville seem to be a different race than I’m used to seeing in New York and other places. Is that because there’s a difference in evolution or is it a different race in a sense?
Forces-We’ll their more mystical they’re more involved in a myth and a mystical type living.
JU-So New York would manifest an outside exterior physical thing and they develop more inside?
Forces-More or less.
IS-How come they seem so…
Forces-Mental.
IS-The ones around here?
Forces-Around here is a different area my dear you’re up in the hills.
IS-So it’s just what’s wrong with these people is that they are taken over by elementals?
Forces-Well more or less.
IS-Is it the difference in education?
Forces-More of the refinement of the spirit is being worked out here the expression of spirit is being worked out.
IS-In the cities like New York?
Forces-Certain different consciousness of certain areas of the mind is being focused on.
IS-But they seem stupid here?
Forces-Well they’re not really stupid they just express things in a more stupid way they are not stupid for the city mind it would appear stupid but their expression some of them is really downright uncanny.
IS-What do they feel about us?
Forces-Well a great deal of challenges and a great deal of attentive to see what we’ll be doing and more or less watching to see what we are all about.
IS-But they all seem so greedy and poverty stricken in their mind.
Forces-This is their fear.
IS-How come city people don’t have that?
Forces-Because there’s a certain amount of abundance in the city.
IS-So when abundance comes here the fear will disappear?
Forces-Correct.
Bathsheba-You said in the last session in the astral world dimensions 4 and 5 is astral traveling, 5 and 6 is where the souls are traveling what’s in 7 and 8 then?
Forces-The Library.
Bathsheba-What library?
Forces-Books, life, everything.
Bathsheba-The Books of Life?
Forces-Everything.
Bathsheba-That elemental force field that you talked about in the last Session do we have to go through that if anyone’s in the astral you have to go through that before you go out any further?
Forces-Not really not necessary.
Bathsheba-Thank you.
LK-What was the work that was being done at the Mennonite church?
Forces-More of establishing who you are and what you are and dispelling a lot of the quirks and expressions.
LK-Is there anything that can be done when I asked myself what am I doing here?
Forces-Yes just be patient and in time we’ll give you the answer.
LK-Does that mean the time will come when we’ll consciously understand the work that Tom is doing?
Forces-Ah maybe. (Laughter)
LK-Thank you.
DD-Can we understand what the Fire-Wrath of the Father (from Jacob Boehme) means?
Forces-This represents the kundalini system within the human being.
DD-Why does it seem so negative?
Forces-If misused it can be very negative.
DD-Is that one center though?
Forces-It takes the Love center to put it back into focus.
DD-Is it correct that the 7th center represents the Law and the 6th the Love?
Forces-We have a changing of it around but it could be that as correct.
DD-So the whole difficulty with those centers is that they continually change?
Forces-It is a continuum of change, letter of the Law or the Spirit of the Law.
DD-The Son aspect is the Love?
Forces-The Son aspect represents a Divine Grace or the Love. system.
DD-Why is the Father always higher the Law?
Forces-The Law is always higher it’s the Love that comes in to make it pliable.
DD-The Law never changes the Law can’t change?
Forces-The Law is perfect.
Forces-At this point we must leave we will be back soon.
Forces-Greetings to all here present now we’ll talk to you some other time this week.
Group-Our Father

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